Conscient Podcast: e39 engle

The role of artists and culture is fundamental and so necessary, and we need so much more of it and not only on the side. The role of arts and culture in societal and civilizational change right now needs to be much more integral into, yes, artworks and imagination – helping us to culturally co-produce how we live and work together into the future and that means art works – but it also means artists’ perspectives into much more mainstream institutions, ideas, and thoughts about how change occurs.

jayne engle, conscient podcast, april 17, 2021, montréal

Dr. Jayne Engle is Director of Cities & Places at the McConnell Foundation and Adjunct Professor at McGill University. She’s worked in participatory city planning, urban revitalization, and economic and real estate development in North America and Europe. She is passionate about bridging innovative local action on the ground with policy and systems change. Among her many activities include : Civic-Indigenous 7.0, RegX and Legitimacities, Participatory Cities Canada, Civic.Capital, Future Cities Canada, and the EmergencERoom.

I first met Jayne in February 2020 at TP3, a strategic gathering in Waterloo, ON convened by the McConnell Foundation and Tamarack Institute to create a coalition of organizations to address the climate crisis, (including through the arts). Jayne and I been exchanging about arts, cities and spiritual practices ever since.  

On Saturday, April 17, 2021, we went for a walk up Mont Royal in Montréal and recorded this conversation while doing a ‘soundwalk’. 

As I did with all episodes this season, I have integrated content from e19 reality in this episode. 

I would like to thank Jayne for taking the time to speak with me, for sharing her deep knowledge of urban issues, her spiritual beliefs and her insights on the role that arts and culture can play in societal and civilizational transformation. 

For more information on Jayne’s work, see


Le rôle des artistes et de la culture est fondamental et tellement nécessaire, et nous en avons tellement besoin, et pas seulement en perepherie. Le rôle des arts et de la culture dans le changement sociétal et civilisationnel actuel doit être beaucoup plus intégré dans, oui, les œuvres d’art et l’imagination – nous aider à coproduire culturellement la façon dont nous vivrons et travaillerons ensemble dans le futur et cela signifie des œuvres d’art – mais aussi avec des perspectives d’artistes dans des institutions, des idées et des pensées beaucoup plus générales sur la façon dont le changement se produit.

jayne engle, balado conscient, 17 avril 2021, montréal

Dr. Jayne Engle est directrice de Cities & Places à la Fondation McConnell et professeure auxiliaire à l’Université McGill. Elle a travaillé dans le domaine de l’urbanisme participatif, de la revitalisation urbaine et du développement économique et immobilier en Amérique du Nord et en Europe. Elle se passionne pour le rapprochement entre les actions locales innovantes sur le terrain et le changement des politiques et des systèmes. Parmi ses nombreuses activités : Civic-Indigenous 7.0, RegX et Legitimacities, Participatory Cities Canada, Civic.Capital, Future Cities Canada et l’EmergencERoom.

J’ai rencontré Jayne pour la première fois en février 2020 à TP3, un rassemblement stratégique à Waterloo, ON, convoqué par la Fondation McConnell et l’Institut Tamarack pour créer une coalition d’organisations afin d’aborder la crise climatique (y inclut par le biais des arts). Depuis, Jayne et moi échangeons régulièrement sur les arts, les villes et les pratiques spirituelles.  

Le samedi 17 avril 2021, nous nous sommes promenés sur le Mont Royal à Montréal et nous avons enregistré cette conversation en faisant une “promenade sonore”. 

Comme je l’ai fait pour tous les épisodes de cette saison, j’ai intégré du contenu de e19 reality dans cet épisode. 

Je tiens à remercier Jayne d’avoir pris le temps de me parler, de partager ses connaissances approfondies des problématiques urbaine, ses croyances spirituelles et sa vision du rôle que les arts et la culture peuvent jouer dans la transformation des sociétés et des civilisations. 

Pour en savoir plus sur le travail de Jayne, consultez le site .

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About the Concient Podcast from Claude Schryer

The conscient podcast / balado conscient is a series of conversations about art, conscience and the ecological crisis. This podcast is bilingual (in either English or French). The language of the guest determines the language of the podcast. Episode notes are translated but not individual interviews.

I started the conscient project in 2020 as a personal learning journey and knowledge sharing exercise. It has been rewarding, and sometimes surprising.

The term ‘conscient’ is defined as ‘being aware of one’s surroundings, thoughts and motivations’. My touchstone for the podcast is episode 1, e01 terrified, based on an essay I wrote in May 2019, where I share my anxiety about the climate crisis and my belief that arts and culture can play a critical role in raising public awareness about environmental issues. The conscient podcast / balado conscient follows up on my (2016–2019) project: 175, 3-minute audio and video field recordings that explore mindful listening.

Season 1 (May to October 2020) explored how the arts contribute to environmental awareness and action. I produced 3 episodes in French and 15 in English. The episodes cover a wide range of content, including activism, impact measurement, gaming, arts funding, cross-sectoral collaborations, social justice, artistic practices, etc. Episodes 8 to 17 were recorded while I was at the Creative Climate Leadership USA course in Arizona in March 2020 (led by Julie’s Bicycle). Episode 18 is a compilation of highlights from these conversations.

Season 2 (March 2021 – ) explores the concept of reality and is about accepting reality, working through ecological grief and charting a path forward. The first episode of season 2 (e19 reality) mixes quotations from 28 authors with field recordings from simplesoundscapes and from my 1998 soundscape composition, Au dernier vivant les biens. One of my findings from this episode is that ‘I now see, and more importantly, I now feel in my bones, ‘the state of things as they actually exist’, without social filters or unsustainable stories blocking the way’. e19 reality touches upon 7 topics: our perception of reality, the possibility of human extinction, ecological anxiety and ecological grief, hope, arts, storytelling and the wisdom of indigenous cultures. The rest of season 2 features interviews with thought leaders about their responses and reactions to e19 reality.

my professional services

I’ve been retired from the Canada Council for the Arts since September 15, 2020 where I served as a senior strategic advisor in arts granting (2016-2020) and manager of the Inter-Arts Office (1999-2015). My focus in (quasi) retirement is environmental issues within my area of expertise in arts and culture, in particular in acoustic ecology. I’m open to become involved in projects that align with my values and that move forward environmental concerns. Feel free to email me for a conversation :

acknowledgement of eco-responsibility

I acknowledge that the production of the conscient podcast / balado conscient produces carbon. I try to minimize this carbon footprint by being as efficient as possible, including using GreenGeeks as my web server and acquiring carbon offsets for my equipment and travel activities from BullFrog Power and Less.

a word about privilege and bias

While recording episode 19 ‘reality’, I heard elements of ‘privilege’ in my voice that I had not noticed before. It sounded a bit like ‘ecological mansplaining’. I realize that, in spite of good intentions, I need to work my way through issues of privilege (of all kinds) and unconscious bias the way I did through ecological anxiety and grief during the fall of 2020. My re-education is ongoing.

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